INTERVIEW WITH
WIKILEAKS FOUNDER JULIAN ASSANGE
Chris Hedges Interviews Julian Assange
The Death of Truth
The Death of Truth
The world has been turned upside down. The pestilence of
corporate totalitarianism is spreading rapidly over the earth. The criminals
have seized power. It is not, in the end, simply Assange or Manning they want.
It is all who dare to defy the official narrative, to expose the big lie of the
global corporate state. The persecution of Assange and Manning is the harbinger
of what is to come, the rise of a bitter world where criminals in Brooks
Brothers suits and gangsters in beribboned military uniforms—propped up by a
vast internal and external security apparatus, a compliant press and a morally
bankrupt political elite—monitor and crush those who dissent. Writers, artists,
actors, journalists, scientists, intellectuals and workers will be forced to
obey or thrown into bondage. I fear for Julian Assange. I fear for Bradley
Manning. I fear for us all.
By Chris Hedges
This interview is a joint project of Truthdig and The Nation
magazine
May 07, 2013 "Information Clearing House" -
LONDON—A tiny tip of the vast subterranean network of governmental and
intelligence agencies from around the world dedicated to destroying WikiLeaks
and arresting its founder, Julian Assange, appears outside the red-brick building
on Hans Crescent Street that houses the Ecuadorean Embassy. Assange, the
world’s best-known political refugee, has been in the embassy since he was
offered sanctuary there last June. British police in black Kevlar vests are
perched night and day on the steps leading up to the building, and others wait
in the lobby directly in front of the embassy door. An officer stands on the
corner of a side street facing the iconic department store Harrods, half a
block away on Brompton Road. Another officer peers out the window of a
neighboring building a few feet from Assange’s bedroom at the back of the
embassy. Police sit round-the-clock in a communications van topped with an
array of antennas that presumably captures all electronic forms of
communication from Assange’s ground-floor suite.
The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS), or Scotland Yard, said
the estimated cost of surrounding the Ecuadorean Embassy from June 19, 2012,
when Assange entered the building, until Jan. 31, 2013, is the equivalent of
$4.5 million.
Britain has rejected an Ecuadorean request that Assange be
granted safe passage to an airport. He is in limbo. It is, he said, like living
in a “space station.”
“The status quo, for them, is a loss,” Assange said of the
U.S.-led campaign against him as we sat in his small workroom, cluttered with
cables and computer equipment. He had a full head of gray hair and gray stubble
on his face and was wearing a traditional white embroidered Ecuadorean shirt.
“The Pentagon threatened WikiLeaks and me personally, threatened us before the
whole world, demanded that we destroy everything we had published, demanded we
cease ‘soliciting’ new information from U.S. government whistle-blowers,
demanded, in other words, the total annihilation of a publisher. It stated that
if we did not self-destruct in this way that we would be ‘compelled’ to do so.”
Pentagon threatened WikiLeaks and me personally, threatened us
before the whole world, demanded that we destroy everything we had published,
demanded we cease ‘soliciting’ new information from U.S. government
whistle-blowers, demanded, in other words, the total annihilation of a
publisher. It stated that if we did not self-destruct in this way that we would
be ‘compelled’ to do so.”
“But they have failed,” he went on. “They set the rules about
what a win was. They lost in every battle they defined. Their loss is total.
We’ve won the big stuff. The loss of face is hard to overstate. The Pentagon
reissued its threats on Sept. 28 last year. This time we laughed.
Threats inflate quickly. Now the Pentagon, the White House and the State
Department intend to show the world what vindictive losers they are through the
persecution of Bradley Manning, myself and the organization more generally.”
Assange, Manning and WikiLeaks, by making public in 2010 half a
million internal documents from the Pentagon and the State Department, along
with the 2007 video of U.S. helicopter pilots nonchalantly gunning down Iraqi
civilians, including children, and two Reuters journalists, effectively exposed
the empire’s hypocrisy, indiscriminate violence and its use of torture, lies,
bribery and crude tactics of intimidation. WikiLeaks shone a spotlight into the
inner workings of empire—the most important role of a press—and for this it has
become empire’s prey. Those around the globe with the computer skills to search
out the secrets of empire are now those whom empire fears most. If we lose this
battle, if these rebels are defeated, it means the dark night of corporate
totalitarianism. If we win, if the corporate state is unmasked, it can be
destroyed.
U.S. government officials quoted in Australian diplomatic cables
obtained by TheSaturday Age described the campaign against Assange and
WikiLeaks as “unprecedented both in its scale and nature.” The scope of the
operation has also been gleaned from statements made during Manning’s pretrial
hearing. The U.S. Department of Justice will apparently pay the contractor
ManTech of Fairfax, Va., more than $2 million this year alone for a computer
system that, from the tender, appears designed to handle the prosecution
documents. The government line item refers only to “WikiLeaks Software and
Hardware Maintenance.”
The lead government prosecutor in the Manning case, Maj. Ashden
Fein, has told the court that the FBI file that deals with the leak of
government documents through WikiLeaks has “42,135 pages or 3,475 documents.”
This does not include a huge volume of material accumulated by a grand jury
investigation. Manning, Fein has said, represents only 8,741 pages or 636
different documents in that classified FBI file.
There are no divisions among government departments or the two
major political parties over what should be Assange’s fate. “I think we should
be clear here. WikiLeaks and people that disseminate information to people like
this are criminals, first and foremost. And I think that needs to be clear,”
then-press secretary Robert Gibbs, speaking for the Obama administration, said
during a 2010 press briefing.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat, and then-Sen. Christopher S.
Bond, a Republican, said in a joint letter to the U.S. attorney general calling
for Assange’s prosecution: “If Mr. Assange and his possible accomplices cannot
be charged under the Espionage Act (or any other applicable statute), please
know that we stand ready and willing to support your efforts to ‘close those
gaps’ in the law, as you also mentioned. …”
Republican Candice S. Miller, a U.S. representative from
Michigan, said in the House: “It is time that the Obama administration treats
WikiLeaks for what it is—a terrorist organization, whose continued operation
threatens our security. Shut it down. Shut it down. It is time to shut down
this terrorist, this terrorist Web site, WikiLeaks. Shut it down, Attorney
General [Eric] Holder.”
At least a dozen American governmental agencies, including the
Pentagon, the FBI, the Army’s Criminal Investigative Department, the Department
of Justice, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and the
Diplomatic Security Service, are assigned to the WikiLeaks case, while the CIA
and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence are assigned to track
down WikiLeaks’ supposed breaches of security. The global assault—which saw
Australia threaten to revoke Assange’s passport—is part of the terrifying
metamorphosis of the “war on terror” into a wider war on civil liberties. It
has become a hunt not for actual terrorists but a hunt for all those with the
ability to expose the mounting crimes of the power elite.
The dragnet has swept up any person or organization that fits
the profile of those with the technical skills and inclination to burrow into
the archives of power and disseminate it to the public. It no longer matters if
they have committed a crime. The group Anonymous, which has mounted
cyberattacks on government agencies at the local and federal levels, saw
Barrett Brown—a journalist associated with Anonymous and who specializes in
military and intelligence contractors—arrested along with Jeremy Hammond, a
political activist alleged to have provided WikiLeaks with 5.5 million emails
between the security firm Strategic Forecasting (Stratfor) and its clients.
Brown and Hammond were apparently seized because of allegations made by an
informant named Hector Xavier Monsegur—known as Sabu—who appears to have
attempted to entrap WikiLeaks while under FBI supervision.
To entrap and spy on activists, Washington has used an array of
informants, including Adrian Lamo, who sold Bradley Manning out to the U.S.
government.
WikiLeaks collaborators or supporters are routinely
stopped—often at international airports—and attempts are made to recruit them
as informants. Jérémie Zimmerman, Smári McCarthy, Jacob Appelbaum, David House
and one of Assange’s lawyers, Jennifer Robinson, all have been approached or
interrogated. The tactics are often heavy-handed. McCarthy, an Icelander and
WikiLeaks activist, was detained and extensively questioned when he entered the
United States. Soon afterward, three men who identified themselves as being
from the FBI approached McCarthy in Washington. The men attempted to recruit
him as an informant and gave him instructions on how to spy on WikiLeaks.
On Aug. 24, 2011, six FBI agents and two prosecutors landed in
Iceland on a private jet. The team told the Icelandic government that it had
discovered a plan by Anonymous to hack into Icelandic government computers. But
it was soon clear the team had come with a very different agenda. The Americans
spent the next few days, in flagrant violation of Icelandic sovereignty,
interrogating Sigurdur Thordarson, a young WikiLeaks activist, in various
Reykjavik hotel rooms. Thordarson, after the U.S. team was discovered by the
Icelandic Ministry of the Interior and expelled from the country, was taken to
Washington, D.C., for four days of further interrogation. Thordarson appears to
have decided to cooperate with the FBI. It was reported in the Icelandic press
that he went to Denmark in 2012 and sold the FBI stolen WikiLeaks computer hard
drives for about $5,000.
There have been secret search orders for information from
Internet service providers, including Twitter, Google and Sonic, as well as
seizure of information about Assange and WikiLeaks from the company Dynadot, a
domain name registrar and Web host.
Assange’s suitcase and computer were stolen on a flight from
Sweden to Germany on Sept. 27, 2010. His bankcards were blocked. WikiLeaks’
Moneybookers primary donation account was shut down after being placed on a
blacklist in Australia and a “watch list” in the United States. Financial
service companies including Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, Bank of America, Western
Union and American Express, following denunciations of WikiLeaks by the U.S.
government, blacklisted the organization. Last month the Supreme Court of
Iceland found the blacklisting to be unlawful and ordered it lifted in Iceland
by May 8. There have been frequent massive denial-of-service attacks on
WikiLeak’s infrastructure.
And there is a well-orchestrated campaign of character
assassination against Assange, including mischaracterizations of the sexual
misconduct case brought against him by Swedish police. Assange has not formally
been charged with a crime. The two women involved have not accused him of rape.
Bradley Manning’s heroism extends to his steadfast refusal,
despite what appears to be tremendous pressure, to implicate Assange in
espionage. If Manning alleges that Assange had instructed him on how to ferret
out classified documents, the U.S. might try to charge Assange with espionage.
Assange sought asylum in the Ecuadorean Embassy after exhausting
his fight to avoid extradition from the United Kingdom to Sweden. He and his
lawyers say that an extradition to Sweden would mean an extradition to the U.S.
If Sweden refused to comply with U.S demands for Assange, kidnapping, or
“extraordinary rendition,” would remain an option for Washington.
Kidnapping was given legal cover by a 1989 memorandum issued by
the Justice Department stating that “the FBI may use its statutory authority to
investigate and arrest individuals for violating United States law, even if the
FBI’s actions contravene customary international law” and that an “arrest that
is inconsistent with international or foreign law does not violate the Fourth
Amendment.” This is a stunning example of the security and surveillance state’s
Orwellian doublespeak. The persecution of Assange and WikiLeaks and the
practice of extraordinary rendition embody the shredding of the Fourth
Amendment, which was designed to protect us from unreasonable searches and
seizures and requires any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by
probable cause.
Two Swedes and a Briton were seized by the United States last
August somewhere in Africa—it is assumed to have been in Somalia—and held in one
of our black sites. They suddenly reappeared—with the Briton stripped of his
citizenship—in a Brooklyn courtroom in December facing terrorism charges.
Sweden, rather than object to the extradition of its two citizens, dropped the
Swedish charges against the prisoners to permit the rendition to occur. The
prisoners, The Washington Post reported, were secretly indicted by a federal
grand jury two months after being taken.
The persistence of WikiLeaks, despite the onslaught, has been
remarkable. In 2012 it released some of the 5.5 million documents sent from or
to the private security firm Stratfor. The documents, known as “the Global
Intelligence Files,” included an email dated Jan. 26, 2011, from Fred Burton, a
Stratfor vice president, who wrote: “Text Not for Pub. We [the U.S. government]
have a sealed indictment on Assange. Pls protect.”
WikiLeaks’ most recent foray into full disclosure includes the
Kissinger files, or the WikiLeaks Public Library of U.S. Diplomacy. The files,
which have built into them a remarkable search engine, provide access to 1.7
million diplomatic communications, once confidential but now in the public
record, that were sent between 1973 and 1976. Henry Kissinger, secretary of
state from September 1973 to January 1977, authored many of the 205,901 cables
that deal with his activities.
In the files it appears that the late Indian Prime Minister
Rajiv Gandhi may have been hired by the Swedish group Saab-Scania to help sell
its Viggen fighter jet to India while his mother, Indira Gandhi, was prime
minister.
In 1975 Kissinger during a conversation with the U.S. ambassador
to Turkey and two Turkish and Cypriot diplomats assured his hosts that he could
work around an official arms embargo then in effect. He is quoted in the
documents as saying: “Before the Freedom of Information Act, I used to say at
meetings, ‘The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little
longer.’ [laughter] But since the Freedom of Information Act, I’m afraid to say
things like that.”
The documents, along with detailing collaborations with the
military dictatorships in Spain and Greece, show that Washington created a
torture exemption to allow the military government in Brazil to receive U.S.
aid.
The documents were obtained from the National Archives and
Record Administration and took a year to be prepared in an accessible digital
format. “It is essentially what Aaron Swartz was doing, making available
documents that until now were hard to access or only obtainable through an
intermediary,” Assange said in the interview.
Swartz was the Internet activist arrested in January 2011 for
downloading more than 5 million academic articles from JSTOR, an online
clearinghouse for scholarly journals. Swartz was charged by federal prosecutors
with two counts of wire fraud and 11 violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse
Act. The charges carried the threat of $1 million in fines and 35 years in
prison. Swartz committed suicide last Jan. 11.
Assange, 41, works through most of the night and sleeps into the
late afternoon. Even though he uses an ultraviolet light device, he was pale,
not surprising for someone who has not been out in sunlight for nearly a year.
He rarely gives interviews. A treadmill was tilted up against a wall of his
quarters; he said he sets it up and tries to run three to five miles on it
every day. He has visits from a personal trainer, with whom he practices
calisthenics and boxing. He is lanky at 6 feet 2 inches tall and exudes a raw,
nervous energy. He leaps, sometimes disconcertingly, from topic to topic, idea
to idea, his words rushing to keep up with his cascading thoughts. He works
with a small staff and has a steady stream of visitors, including celebrities
such as Lady Gaga. When the Ecuadorean Ambassador Ana Alban Mora and Bianca
Jagger showed up late one afternoon, Assange pulled down glasses and poured
everyone whiskey from a stock of liquor he keeps in a cabinet. His visitors
chatted at a small round table, seated in leatherette chairs. Jagger wanted to
know how to protect her website from hackers. Assange told her to “make a
lot of backup copies.”
It is from this room that Assange and his supporters have
mounted an election campaign for a seat in Australia’s upper house of Parliament.
Public surveys from the state of Victoria, where Assange is a candidate,
indicate he has a good chance of winning.
Assange communicates with his global network of associates and
supporters up to 17 hours a day through numerous cellphones and a collection of
laptop computers. He encrypts his communications and religiously shreds
anything put down on paper. The frequent movements of the police cordon outside
his window make sleep difficult. And he misses his son, whom he raised as a
single father. He may also have a daughter, but he does not speak publicly
about his children, refusing to disclose their ages or where they live. His
family, he said, has received death threats. He has not seen his children since
his legal troubles started. The emotional cost is as heavy as the physical one.
Assange said he sees WikiLeaks’ primary role as giving a voice
to the victims of U.S. wars and proxy wars by using leaked documents to tell
their stories. The release of the Afghan and Iraq War Logs, he said, disclosed
the extent of civilian death and suffering, and the plethora of lies told by
the Pentagon and the state to conceal the human toll. The logs, Assange said,
also unmasked the bankruptcy of the traditional press and its obsequious
service as war propagandists.
“There were 90,000 records in the Afghan War Logs,” Assange
said. “We had to look at different angles in the material to add up the number
of civilians who have been killed. We studied the records. We ranked events
different ways. I wondered if we could find out the largest number of civilians
killed in a single event. It turned out that this occurred during Operation Medusa,
led by Canadian forces in September 2006. The U.S.-backed local government was
quite corrupt. The Taliban was, in effect, the political opposition and had a
lot of support. The locals rose up against the government. Most of the young
men in the area, from a political perspective, were Taliban. There was a
government crackdown that encountered strong resistance. ISAF [the NATO-led
International Security Assistance Force] carried out a big sweep. It went house
to house. Then an American soldier was killed. They called in an AC-130
gunship. This is a C-130 cargo plane refitted with cannons on the side. It
circled overhead and rained down shells. The War Logs say 181 ‘enemy’ were
killed. The logs also say there were no wounded or captured. It was a significant
massacre. This event, the day when the largest number of people were killed in
Afghanistan, has never been properly investigated by the old media.”
Operation Medusa, which occurred 20 miles west of Kandahar, took
the lives of four Canadian soldiers and involved some 2,000 NATO and Afghan
troops. It was one of the largest military operations by the ISAF in the
Kandahar region.
Assange searched for accounts of reporters who were on the
scene. What he discovered appalled him. He watched an embedded Canadian
reporter, Graeme Smith of the Toronto Globe and Mail, use these words on a
Canadian military website to describe his experiences during Operation Medusa:
In September 2006 I had one of the most
intense experiences of my life. I was on the front lines of something called
Operation Medusa. It was a big Canadian offensive against the Taliban who were
massed outside of Kandahar City. The Taliban were digging trenches and
intimidating locals, and the Canadians decided to sweep in there in big numbers
and force them out. And I was travelling with a platoon that called themselves
the “Nomads”. These were guys who had been sent all over, you know, sort of, a
50,000 square kilometer box out to the very edges of Kandahar City, and so they
were moving around all the time; they were never sleeping in the same place
twice and they’d even made up these little patches for their uniforms that said
“Nomads” on them. The Nomads took me in and they sort of made me one of them. I
spent what was originally supposed to be just a two or three day embed with
them, stretched out into two weeks. I didn’t have a change of underwear. I
didn’t have a change of shirt. I remember showering in my clothes, washing
first the clothes on my body, then stripping the clothes off and washing my
body, and that was just using a bucket as a shower. It was an intense
experience. I slept in my flak jacket a lot of nights. We were under fire
together, you know, we had RPGs whistling in. One time I was standing around
behind a troop carrier and we were just sort of relaxing—we were in a down
moment—and I think some guys had coffee out and were standing around and I
heard a loud clap beside my right ear. It was like someone had sort of snuck up
behind me and sort of played a prank by clapping beside my ear. I turned around
to say hey that’s not really funny, that’s kind of loud, and all of the
soldiers were lying on the ground because they know what to do when an incoming
sniper round comes in, and I didn’t because [laughs] it was my first time under
fire. So I threw myself to the ground as well. They had sort of made me one of
them and so they gave me a little “Nomads” patch that I attached to my flak
jacket and you know as a journalist you try to avoid drinking the Kool-Aid, but
I did feel a sense of belonging with those guys.
The U.S., according to one of Assange’s lawyers, Michael Ratner,
appears poised to seize Assange the moment he steps out of the embassy.
Washington does not want to become a party in two competing extradition
requests to Britain. But Washington, with a sealed grand jury indictment
prepared against Assange, can take him once the Swedish imbroglio is resolved,
or can take him should Britain make a decision not to extradite. Neil MacBride,
who has been mentioned as a potential head of the FBI, is U.S. attorney for the
eastern district of Virginia, which led the grand jury investigation, and he
appears to have completed his work.
Assange said, “The grand jury was very active in late 2011,
pulling in witnesses, forcing them to testify, pulling in documents. It’s been
much less active during 2012 and 2013. The DOJ appears ready to proceed with
the prosecution proper immediately following the Manning trial.”
Assange spoke repeatedly about Manning, with evident concern. He
sees in the young Army private a reflection of his own situation, as well as
the draconian consequences of refusing to cooperate with the security and
surveillance state.
Manning’s 12-week military trial is scheduled to begin in June.
The prosecution is calling 141 witnesses, including an anonymous Navy SEAL who
was part of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden. Assange called the Navy SEAL
the “star diva” of the state’s “12-week Broadway musical.” Manning is as bereft
of establishment support as Assange.
“The old media attempted to remove his alleged heroic
qualities,” Assange said of Manning. “An act of heroism requires that you make
a conscious act. It is not an unreasoned expression of madness or sexual
frustration. It requires making a choice—a choice that others can follow. If
you do something solely because you are a mad homosexual there is no choice. No
one can choose to be a mad homosexual. So they stripped him, or attempted to
strip him, of all his refinements.”
“His alleged actions are a rare event,” Assange went on. “And
why does a rare event happen? What do we know about him? What do we know about
Bradley Manning? We know that he won three science fairs. We know the guy is
bright. We know that he was interested in politics early on. We know he’s very
articulate and outspoken. We know he didn’t like lies. We know he was
interested in politics. We know he was skilled at his job of being an
intelligence analyst. If the media was looking for an explanation they could
point to this combination of his abilities and motivations. They could point to
his talents and virtues. They should not point to him being gay, or from a
broken home, except perhaps in passing. Ten percent of the U.S. military is
gay. Well over 50 percent are from broken homes. Take those two factors
together. That gets you down to, say, 5 percent—5 percent on the outside. There
are 5 million people with active security clearances, so now you’re down to
250,000 people. You still have to get from 250,000 to one. You can only explain
Bradley Manning by his virtues. Virtues others can learn from.”
I walked for a long time down Sloane Street after leaving the
embassy. The red double-decker buses and the automobiles inched along the
thoroughfare. I passed boutiques with window displays devoted to Prada, Giorgio
Armani and Gucci. I was jostled by shoppers with bags stuffed full of high-end
purchases. They, these consumers, seemed blissfully unaware of the tragedy
unfolding a few blocks away. “In this respect, our townsfolk were like everybody
else, wrapped up in themselves; in other words, they were humanists: they
disbelieved in pestilences,” Albert Camus wrote in “The Plague.” “A pestilence
isn’t a thing made to man’s measure; therefore we tell ourselves that
pestilence is a mere bogy of the mind, a bad dream that will pass away. But it
doesn’t always pass away and, from one bad dream to another, it is men who pass
away, and the humanists first of all, because they have taken no precautions.”
I stopped in front of the four white columns that led into the
brick-turreted Cadogan Hotel. The hotel is where Oscar Wilde was arrested in
Room 118 on April 6, 1895, before being charged with “committing acts of gross
indecency with other male persons.” John Betjeman imagined the shock of that
arrest, which ruined Wilde’s life, in his poem “The Arrest of Oscar Wilde at
the Cadogan Hotel.” Here’s a fragment.
A thump, and a murmur of voices—
(“Oh why must they make such a din?”)
As the door of the bedroom swung open
And TWO PLAIN CLOTHES POLICEMEN came in:
(“Oh why must they make such a din?”)
As the door of the bedroom swung open
And TWO PLAIN CLOTHES POLICEMEN came in:
“Mr. Woilde, we ’ave come for tew take yew
Where felons and criminals dwell:
We must ask yew tew leave with us quoietly
For this is the Cadogan Hotel.”
Where felons and criminals dwell:
We must ask yew tew leave with us quoietly
For this is the Cadogan Hotel.”
The world has been turned upside down. The pestilence of
corporate totalitarianism is spreading rapidly over the earth. The criminals
have seized power. It is not, in the end, simply Assange or Manning they want.
It is all who dare to defy the official narrative, to expose the big lie of the
global corporate state. The persecution of Assange and Manning is the harbinger
of what is to come, the rise of a bitter world where criminals in Brooks
Brothers suits and gangsters in beribboned military uniforms—propped up by a
vast internal and external security apparatus, a compliant press and a morally
bankrupt political elite—monitor and crush those who dissent. Writers, artists,
actors, journalists, scientists, intellectuals and workers will be forced to
obey or thrown into bondage. I fear for Julian Assange. I fear for Bradley
Manning. I fear for us all.
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Audio clip one: Chris Hedges talks with Julian Assange about his
opponents’ legal strategies.
(Transcript)
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Audio clip two: Julian Assange shares his thoughts on the
Bradley Manning Case.
(Transcript)
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Chris Hedges, whose column is published Mondays on Truthdig,
spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, the
Middle East, Africa and the Balkans. He has reported from more than 50
countries and has worked for The Christian Science Monitor, National Public
Radio, The Dallas Morning News and The New York Times, for which he was a
foreign correspondent for 15 years.
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